All generalizations are false, including this one.
 
Nox deSilva
 

 
 
All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/11/30 08:44 PM
     

I figured I'd start a thread just as a reminder to everyone what a beautiful thing diversity of opinion is.

The framers of the American Constitution were onto something when they talked about freedom of expression, of the press, and of religious worship.

No one does those things in quite the same way. Look at your average newspaper. Sure, they follow similar styles, but every editorial in there, every letter and every opinion article, is a different one.

Opinions are like snowflakes. They can come down hard. They can just sort of drift. Or they can be very pretty.

But they change states and melt if you hold onto them too tightly. Because they're delicate and fragile.

Blanket statements of any nature, about Andromeda or anything, are all well and good until you start blanketing OUT discussion.

Once that happens, we haven't got any diversity any longer, we've only got trouble.

And I like trouble. Trouble helps me make people look like idiots. And I like doing that.

So, in short, if you don't want any trouble, don't make sweeping statements about "those people" or "these people" or "everybody". Don't point out "right" and "wrong", "good" and "bad", for me. Don't tell me what "the best" or "the worst" are. I have my own fairly-defined moral code by which to make those judgements. Don't waste my time making prejudgements for me. I do these things well enough on my own. And what you tell me about those things tell me more about you than those things. Which can only work against you if you're the one giving me trouble.

We clear? Great. If not, nuts to you.

Thanks again.

Have a super day.




qwerty_238
 

 
 
Re: All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/11/30 09:28 PM
     

Very True.

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Jacmac
 

 
 
Re: All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/11/30 09:40 PM
     

Nox I agree wholeheartedly that diversity is good and, in fact, fuels growth. Constant and total agreement is stultifying as well as boring. However, the way diversity is expressed can sometimes be a problem.

I may not agree with people, but I'll fight for their freedom to express their opinion!

Jac

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Mary Rose
 

 
 
Re: All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/11/30 09:59 PM
     

Well said. I am honest enough to admit that I am guilty of generalizing at times.

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Julie
 

 
 
Re: All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/11/30 10:22 PM
     

quote:
Originally posted by Nox:
So, in short, if you don't want any trouble, don't make sweeping statements about "those people" or "these people" or "everybody".

This should really be "Slipstream Suggestion #1". Nothing else upsets opinionated people like telling them what their opinion is.


Kahoutek
 

 
 
Re: All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/12/01 01:24 AM
     

I think many of us still do not get the point of what Nox is saying.

It's not just that we should avoid making generalizations ... or telling somebody else what their opinion is. No, it is much more subtle and powerful than that.

Imagine being in a room with about 10 other people talking about something important to each person. You have just finished saying something you thought was accurate, and you had a good reason for sharing it. Then, three people respond:
Person A says "Just because you feel that way doesn't mean anybody else does. Don't make generalizations!!"
Person B says "But ... have you thought about my idea (which has no connection to your point)."
Person C says "Mmm -- I would not have seen that. To me, it looked more like "____". Could you tell me why it looked different to you?"

We are all pretty clear on the mistake person A is making. How about person B? Person B is a 'stopper' -- he/she stops all helpful dialogue, and often traps people in to an argument.
Person C might have the wisdom to know that there is value within each person and many comments -- even if the comment seems just plain wrong at first glance.

Diversity is not just avoiding generalizations; it is looking for the meaning and value in every person (even if they are not articulate).

Thanks for reading.
Kahoutek


Ogami
 

 
 
Re: All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/12/01 03:17 AM
     

Diversity of opinion... how 'bout redundancy?

Sometimes I worry that in criticizing a bad episode of season three, I'm getting repetitive. I feel bad about this, I really do, as I don't want the show to suck.

The solution? If we get episodes that don't suck, then we'll be able to more freely express our diversity of opinion. Bad episodes kind of put people into two precise camps, and that is limiting and restricting to diverse opinion. When the episodes shine, there is greater room for disagreement.

-Ogami


MikeJoe
 

 
 
Re: All generalizations are false, including this one.
      2002/12/01 03:47 AM
     

quote:
Originally posted by Nox:
I figured I'd start a thread just as a reminder to everyone what a beautiful thing diversity of opinion is.

The framers of the American Constitution were onto something when they talked about freedom of expression, of the press, and of religious worship.

No one does those things in quite the same way. Look at your average newspaper. Sure, they follow similar styles, but every editorial in there, every letter and every opinion article, is a different one.

Opinions are like snowflakes. They can come down hard. They can just sort of drift. Or they can be very pretty.

But they change states and melt if you hold onto them too tightly. Because they're delicate and fragile.

Blanket statements of any nature, about Andromeda or anything, are all well and good until you start blanketing OUT discussion.

Once that happens, we haven't got any diversity any longer, we've only got trouble.

And I like trouble. Trouble helps me make people look like idiots. And I like doing that.

So, in short, if you don't want any trouble, don't make sweeping statements about "those people" or "these people" or "everybody". Don't point out "right" and "wrong", "good" and "bad", for me. Don't tell me what "the best" or "the worst" are. I have my own fairly-defined moral code by which to make those judgements. Don't waste my time making prejudgements for me. I do these things well enough on my own. And what you tell me about those things tell me more about you than those things. Which can only work against you if you're the one giving me trouble.

We clear? Great. If not, nuts to you.

Thanks again.

Have a super day.


Amen.