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I really liked this one for several reasons.

The Good: Rommie's talk with Holo-Rommie, about the need to have a purpose, and how important a single human life is, despite how short our lives are.
Rommie's qustion to Tyr about, not finishing off their attackers.

Dylan and Rommie's talk at the end about love, and how important it is to us.

Rommie vs Trance

Trance acting like a medical officer, ad she had a good bedside manner.

I liked the SFX of the Than attack, and the destruction of the drift.

Harper's one liners were pretty good too as well.

The Bad: Whatever happened to the girl that Rommie saved in the opening scenes?

The full explaination of the microprobes.(We know now that they were angry with SOTA as well, but this never made it the screen.)

Tyr needed more to do than, just standing around on the bridge and yelling to Harper every once and a while.

The Than's continued attacks, they should have explained why, instead of just continuing to attack, IMO.

Rommie's clothes seemed to grow back together.

Anyway, I liked this one I thought Zack and Ash did a good job on it. I wouldn't mind it if, they had more character building moments in the future. But, I though this one was pretty well done.

I loved the Beka/Trance stuff and the Beka/Dylan stuff the best.

I thought Tyr was fine in this one, chastizing Dylan for incessantly trying to help, talking about spacing the ill then realizing that means Beka too and backing off, and making the smart tactical decision not to continue the attacks on the Than.

The one liners got out of hand.

"Ungrateful dead"? From Harper, the old earth aficionado that works. From Dylan, who is unfamiliar with ancient earth music and doesn't even recognize "she'll be comin' round the mountain" in Harper 2.0 it doesn't.

Kevin needs to remember that less is more and that Dylan isn't Hercules.

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*sigh*

**NANOBOTSMITE**

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^Hey I can believe Dylans parents were DeadHeads.

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Hey, if Harper can be chock full of 20th century references, why couldn't The Grateful Dead have enjoyed a rennaissance on Tarn Vedra before the Fall?

<hides under desk, bracing for smite>

I think the only things I didn't care for were

--That opening scene where Rommie dives with the little girl and looks like she crushes her skull in when they land

--The one-liners Lil mentionds

--I think this was the one where the final scene was between Dylan and Rommie and the dialogue just fell flat - something about love conquering all or some other cliched crap.

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--Did not like the wire/kung-fu between Rommie & Trance....

Beyond that, I enjoyed this one - even Dylan minus the one-liners

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Yeah, this was one of the few times I liked an episode pretty well that many did not.

I think the only things I didn't care for were

--That opening scene where Rommie dives with the little girl and looks like she crushes her skull in when they land

--The one-liners [b]Lil mentionds

--I think this was the one where the final scene was between Dylan and Rommie and the dialogue just fell flat - something about love conquering all or some other cliched crap.

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--Did not like the wire/kung-fu between Rommie & Trance....

Beyond that, I enjoyed this one - even Dylan minus the one-liners

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I guess Dylan's one-liners don't bug me because my best friend has a serious penchant for sarcasm, so I'm used to quips like the ones Dylan makes. Beyond that, the rest of my thoughts on DotM -- which I liked -- are here:

http://www.slipstreambbs.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001706.html

Surprisingly, I agree with you on one or two things.

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Hey, if Harper can be chock full of 20th century references, why couldn't The Grateful Dead have enjoyed a rennaissance on Tarn Vedra before the Fall?

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The fall of the Commonwealth or the fall of the Grateful Dead?

I can understand why Dylan wouldn't know something like "She'll Be Comin' 'round the Mountain", he grew up on Tarn Vedra, not Earth. But it doesn't explain how he knows about the Dead. Maybe we can say it was an innocent remark and the reference was one big coincidence.

Harper's knowledge of Earth culture makes more sense. Even though he grew up in a burned out shell that was once Boston, there may have still been references to the past. Folk songs, comic books heroes, motorcycles, etc.

I also liked the scene at the end, mainly because they didn't spend alot time on it.

I liked the Rommie/Trance fight for several reasons, for one they didn't stay wit them for the entire length, it didn't solve the problem, and I thought it was nicely staged and Rommie didn't outright win.

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The fall of the Commonwealth or the fall of the Grateful Dead?

I can understand why Dylan wouldn't know something like "She'll Be Comin' 'round the Mountain", he grew up on Tarn Vedra, not Earth. But it doesn't explain how he knows about the Dead ...

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Two possibilities:

{1} Maybe sometime in the 9780s (CY calendar) was the 3,000th anniversary of their debut album, and a commemorative collection was released -- first on Earth, but then it spread throughout the Known Worlds as fast as couriers could handle them.

{2 -- and more likely} Beka's famed music collection includes all the Grateful Dead albums; Dylan knows about them from hearing them played full blast in the Command Center whenever Beka stands a watch. And if you don't think she's a dead-head ... well, would you think I'm a metal head?

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>I really liked this one for several reasons.

I have problems with this one. I almost like it immensely, certainly like it the most of the post-"Ouroboros" eps so far. But the zombie thing felt so tedious. The reason the zombies annoyed me was because they were pretty much used as an excuse to have a big shootout, as big a bodycount as possible against beings it wouldn't matter about killing, because they were already dead. ("Last Call at the Broken Hammer" annoyed me deeply partly because of the aliens whose only use was to charge in and be shot down.)

>Rommie's talk with Holo-Rommie, about the need to have a purpose, and how important a single human life is, despite how short our lives are.

I like this scene, but I have to ask... didn't ANDROMEDA *used* to care? It's not just the avatar who's cared. Either she's saying what she's saying to convince herself (and, in that case, she can't fool me), or she's taken compartmentalization to extremes and completely cut herself off from feeling anything, leaving that to the avatar. (I refuse to accept that she's just "a heartless b*tch," as I've read from someone -- she's a warship with attitude, but not heartless. But that's probably where the writers are taking her... sigh.)

>Rommie's qustion to Tyr about, not finishing off their attackers.

Oh, I *love* the idea of an impertinent warship teasing someone as he questions his battle ethics. You brat.

>Dylan and Rommie's talk at the end about love, and how important it is to us.

You know, I *want* to like this... I've felt like this at some points in my life, that love keeps life going, but... it also makes no sense...
If all the stars burn out and the universe ends, what will be left to *feel* the love that Dylan insists will survive?

>Trance acting like a medical officer

And walking up to Dylan from behind and giving him a surprise injection. He made more fuss about being surprised by a shot than he ever would about being wounded in combat.

>Whatever happened to the girl that Rommie saved in the opening scenes?

She probably died along with the others. I have no idea how she survived Rommie's leap through the airlock -- it really looked as if that would've broken her neck, as if Rommie broke her fall on the kid's head!
Something else I really enjoyed was Harper's banter with holo-ANDROMEDA, who really looked as if he was giving her a headache.
I didn't get her "Men." comment, though, any more than I got her "You certainly know how to make a girl feel good about herself" in "Its Hour Come Round at Last". Why a big, tough warship would call herself a girl, or bother to take note of sexual politics in a way that would make her say "Men", as human women would... um, no, even if these instances were written by RHWolfe or ZackAsh. Sorry.

>The Than's continued attacks, they should have explained why, instead of just continuing to attack, IMO.

I think they didn't bother because they assumed that ANDROMEDA was compromised beyond ability to save, and any attempt to contact them and make them stop the attack was probably made under duress.

>Rommie's clothes seemed to grow back together.

Indeed!

>The one liners got out of hand.

I enjoy this series' humor, actually, even the one-liners. <shrug> I know people who talk like that, including... hmm... me. I can come out with Harper-like inappropriate comments, most definitely...

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I thought Tyr was fine in this one, ..., talking about spacing the ill then realizing that means Beka too and backing off,

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That was soooo wrong. Sure Tyr wouldn't want to toss out Beka, but Tyr not knowing what Tyr is saying, Tyr not knowing what Tyr is meaning ... GRRRRRR! This Tyr who spoke only if he had something to say, this Tyr who always ment what he said!? GRRRRR!

How do I hate that "oh, Tyr is just making words - don't afraid teddy-bears don't bite".

Lea.

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