Over the past few months there has been much turmoil on the board with all the news coming out of Tribune - changes in the show, the characters, people leaving, people being let go, etc. Quite a few people have gotten pretty nasty in their name-calling of Kevin, Karen, Seth, etc., and even other actors on the show are being questioned as to their sincerity.

We have let this go on too long - in the beginning we felt it best to let everyone vent, and as I have said in other posts, if we started handing out warnings to everyone that was participating, the mods would have been doing nothing but handing out warnings, and quite a few people would have gotten banned.

The namecalling is getting old - fast. Not as many are doing it now, but every once in a while a *Dylbo* pops up, or Karen is being called "Ms. Tribune Hack". What this post is informing you of is that we are going to start enforcing policy on this - it's gone on long enough, and it's time for people to step back and just relax a bit, if that's not too much to ask.

If someone wants to be pessimistic, that's ok - and it's ok for people to be optimistic too - but realize that nothing anyone says is going to change a pessimist's or an optimist's mind - that's just the way they feel. But please don't tell them they are wrong for feeling that way. And if you must post something in response to someone that feels opposite of the way you do, try to pepper it with IMHO (in my honest opinion), and try not to come across as condenscending to others that feel opposite of the way you do, or telling them that the way they feel is wrong.

No, we're not telling you that you can't state your opinion, or that you can't speak your mind, but there are ways to show your displeasure with Kevin, Tribune, Seth & Karen, Gordon, etc. without the scathing language, calling people idiots, giving derogatory nicknames, etc. Call them unwise, misguided, in over their heads, etc. There are also ways of disagreeing with others without attacking them for their point of view.

So let's make note of the policy on flaming:

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Flaming

Flaming will, of course, not be allowed. Do not insult people on the board, period. You're free to post negative comments about someone's opinion, but never actually about that someone him/herself. In general, a flame can be defined as being aimed at one particular person or group of persons, and of
an insulting or malicious nature. If you do not agree with someone or feel that a person has not studied the subject at hand carefully enough, it is not in order to question someone's intellectual capabalities or post
derogative remarks. Using strong language in relation to someone else will not be tolerated.

Flames are also counted as such if they are directed at people involved in creating the show, who are not able to defend themselves here. It is okay to criticise their work, but please also treat them with
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It's the holiday season - how about some "Peace on Earth, Goodwill towards women and men" - It would truly make Slipstream a much happier place to be.

Andi

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Originally posted by Undina Arcania:
"Dylbo" is a legitimate name. Here is how I came up with it. We can take "Dylan Hunt" and "Kevin Sorbo" and fuse the two, giving us "Dylvin Hunbo"; this then can be futher fused for convenience: hence, "Dylbo". It was not meant as a flame, but as an observation of how Kevin has become too wrapt up with his character. I never meant anything else by it.

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{{{{Undina}}}}

I realize that you may not mean anything by it, but some others use it as an insult, and it does upset people because they do use it that way . . .

Andi

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Originally posted by Andulasia:
{{{{Undina}}}}

I realize that you may not mean anything by it, but some others use it as an insult, and it does upset people because they do use it that way . . .

Andi

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Well then deal with those that use it as such! I, for one, see no reason why Dina can't continue using the name, especially after she explained how she came up with it. If others use it as an insult, then deal with them. If others are upset by it...so be it!

I can't speak for the rest, but I won't stop using a word simply because others "might be upset" by it! Heck, I've never even heard of the name before this.

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Staying alive
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Originally posted by Undina Arcania:
I myself was quite surprised to see that term here, as I am the only one I know of who has ever used it.

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I've definitely seen it used by others in a less-than-complimentarly context, UA.

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Originally posted by DragonFyre:
You know, I always just assumed that you chose to use the name Dylbo because, while clever, it sounds like a female sex toy.

Now I know better.

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If I had wanted to be clever I think I could have done a better job!

Could someone post links to some threads where people have used it in this way? I had intended it to catch on, but not as an inflammatory remark!

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Well then deal with those that use it as such!

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We will.

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I, for one, see no reason why Dina can't continue using the name, especially after she explained how she came up with it.

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And I was not even aware that she was the one that came up with it until she replied to this post . . . my eyes have been getting kind of crossed trying to keep up with all the threads in General Discussion the past few months - as a Moderator we have to read them all. No, I'm not complaining - that's my job, but it has been tiring. But I felt she *should* know that others are taking her word and using it in a way that is insulting.

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If others use it as an insult, then deal with them.

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See above - we will.

I'm sorry, maybe I picked the wrong example to use - it's just the one that has been used by the most people in an insulting way. Other snarky comments have been thrown around the board in the past few months too - that's just the one that popped out at me the most.

My sincere apologies for *trying* to get people to be considerate to each other . . . that's all I'm trying to do here . . . *sigh* . . .

Andi

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Originally posted by Andulasia:

I'm sorry, maybe I picked the wrong example to use - it's just the one that has been used by the most people in an insulting way. Other snarky comments have been thrown around the board in the past few months too - that's just the one that popped out at me the most.

My sincere apologies for *trying* to get people to be considerate to each other . . . that's all I'm trying to do here . . . *sigh* . . .

Andi

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Perhaps I overreacted to your comment. When I read it, it came across as if you were trying to tell people that they couldn't use the nickname "Dylbo". I have never used it, nor have I planned on using it, but just the thought of someone telling me that I couldn't use it got me annoyed.

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We both fought the battle valiant, I shall not recant.
Who's the victor? Who's the victim?
While I profusely bled, you lost your head!
Who's the victor? I am!
There Can Be Only ONE!

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Staying alive
Curious. Until now, I hadn't known it was a crime
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Hebea

{{{{{{{{{{{{{Andi}}}}}}}}}}}} I'm very VERY glad to see this.

Lil

I think I am going to cry that indeed is beautiful. I plan on doing my part the best I can.

(((((((((Slipstreamers))))))))))))

now this old lady is gonna go visit her nephews its their birthday and tonight they are having a party.

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Thank you so very much. I'm glad to see this. It was definitely time

Hugs
Val

andi, does calling other slipstreamers 'whiners' or 'cry babies' fall into this catagory, because ive heard (and been called) that a lot lately do to my opinions.

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Originally posted by Andulasia:
It's the holiday season - how about some "Peace on Earth, Goodwill towards women and men" - It would truly make Slipstream a much happier place to be.

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Hear, hear!

It's time and past time we had a little peace on earth around this place.

I'll do my share!

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Originally posted by Andulasia:
Slipstreamers,

It's the holiday season - how about some "Peace on Earth, Goodwill towards women and men" - It would truly make Slipstream a much happier place to be.

Andi

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Thanks for your words. I just hope slipstreamers read them.

Aphrael

Thanks for posting this, Andi. We may not always seem like it, but we're with ya!

{{{Andi}}}

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For bole and bough are burning now, the furnace roars - we go to war!

Later,
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Political correctness has already led to a national security breakdown on so many levels; does it also have to pervade my leisure time on the internet?

Thank you for the great post. Hope the peace spreads quickly. A wonderful holiday to all.

Yia

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Originally posted by Mitchell Alex:
If you can't speak your mind freely here, then it is not a legitimate board, and therefore not worth the time of individual, free-thinkers. I hope that is not truly the case. I have never used the word "Dylbo" before - mainly because I am new. But that seems like a legitimate "critique" (you know, free thought expression) of Kevin Sorbo's direction of the character (and show), and not a personal insult. In fact, from what I have seen since I started traversing this board, Dylbo is very accurate.

Political correctness has already led to a national security breakdown on so many levels; does it also have to pervade my leisure time on the internet?

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Actually

Going to anyboard that someone provides is like entering that person's home. You follow their rules. You don't necessarily have to agree but respect is important.

I admit that when I first started I thought it was a load of crud but It is an acceptable practice.

I still also feel as others do that we are told we are entitled to our opinions but we are wrong for having them. Believe it or not I have always felt that way but have also learned that we can't force our feelings on anyone else.

just my 2 cents imho.

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Originally posted by Mitchell Alex:
If you can't speak your mind freely here, then it is not a legitimate board, and therefore not worth the time of individual, free-thinkers. I hope that is not truly the case. I have never used the word "Dylbo" before - mainly because I am new. But that seems like a legitimate "critique" (you know, free thought expression) of Kevin Sorbo's direction of the character (and show), and not a personal insult. In fact, from what I have seen since I started traversing this board, Dylbo is very accurate.

Political correctness has already led to a national security breakdown on so many levels; does it also have to pervade my leisure time on the internet?

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Mitchell,

First of all, welcome to Slipstream

Trust me, we have many, many individual free-thinkers here, (ask Dylanite <G> ) and people are more than free to express their views. But we do have a policy that we ask members to follow, and also ask that everyone be treated with respect, even if you disagree with their point of view. That is what we have not had enough of lately. (BTW, you can find the board policy on the menu to your right ---> )

As I said earlier in the post, maybe the "Dylbo" name was the wrong example - but since you *are* new (unless you have been reading every thread in General Discussion for the past two months), there are many that have used the name in an insulting way in their posts (along with insults and flames aimed towards others here and also involved with the show).

And that is the main point of my initial message - that we treat each other with courtesy and respect. I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?

Andi

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Political correctness has already led to a national security breakdown on so many levels; does it also have to pervade my leisure time on the internet?

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Originally posted by Undina Arcania:
"Dylbo" is a legitimate name. Here is how I came up with it. We can take "Dylan Hunt" and "Kevin Sorbo" and fuse the two, giving us "Dylvin Hunbo"; this then can be futher fused for convenience: hence, "Dylbo". It was not meant as a flame, but as an observation of how Kevin has become too wrapt up with his character. I never meant anything else by it.

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Originally posted by Undina Arcania:

I think that since the Dylan character is so inextricably linked to Sorbo, we should just call him "Dylbo" and give him all the respect our feeble intelligences think he deserves. After all, what do the opinions of the fans matter?

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Dina, this dosn't look exactly as a flame, but it dosn't look totally innocent either.

Edited to fix quotes

[This message has been edited by Raven (edited December 22, 2001).]

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Because the nickname is not inherently insulting, its use is legtimiate. Even the Facist regime on TrekBBS would allow a mild moniker such as that.

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As I said earlier in the post, maybe the "Dylbo" name was the wrong example - but since you *are* new (unless you have been reading every thread in General Discussion for the past two months), there are many that have used the name in an insulting way in their posts (along with insults and flames aimed towards others here and also involved with the show).

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I said maybe the "Dylbo" name was the wrong example, it's just been the one that has been used the most. If people want to call him that, fine - but if the entire message that they use it in is insulting in *other* ways (which quite a few have been), then they will get warned.

Andi

And in defense of saying that word that Undina came up with being an insult, I believe if we go back to the post where she started it, it was started in a less then complimentary way, it was started to start insulting Mr. Sorbo.

This is just my opinion, but ever since I read her post that started the whole [I swear I'm not saying it] it has come across as an insult.

And again Thank you Andi for this thread and announcement.

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I think what Andi is trying to say can be summed up in six words or less...

You may disagree, but not disrespect.

(One... two... three... umm, what comes after three... oh yes... umm, zero... eight..... aww, screw it.)

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Originally posted by Mitchell Alex:
While I should have every right to ridicule or criticize the idea, I do not intend to do the same to the proponent unless self-defense were called for. However, I believe that producers (ie, Dylbo), writers, etc. are somewhat more fair game (within reason). They are holding themselves out in the public arena, and in doing so, they should expect greater scrutiny and/or ridicule.

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And some of them post here, making them board members. Insulting them is the same as insulting any of the other board members.

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Originally posted by Mitchell Alex:
However, I believe that producers (ie, Dylbo), writers, etc. are somewhat more fair game (within reason). They are holding themselves out in the public arena, and in doing so, they should expect greater scrutiny and/or ridicule.

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There's a difference between criticism and ridicule. Criticism is fine, ridicule less so.

Rhys

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Why does being a celebrity mean that you are suppose to take the stones that are being thrown?

Or could this simply mean that throwing these 'stones' at someone who has the right to do whatever it is that has made them the celebrity they are, is couched in jealousy.

I'm not criticizing anyone or ridiculing, I am just suddenly extremely intrigued that there are those that think celebrities are suppose to take abuse. Amazing, indeed.

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So what? They're still people and words hurt them as much as they hurt anyone.

I believe that Kevin Sorbo has in this affair come across as dismissive, insulting and arrogant and I told him so. That is criticism, harsh perhaps but still criticism and as the consumer/customer I think I have a right to criticize.

But insulting is another matter. Calling people morons, Dylbo, Sorbass, or such is insulting and wrong. And in the end, it's not very productive either.

Lil

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The question should be asked and answered in a mature way by the poster. Many times I have backed out of a post because, my anwer made the call for me.

I believe that Andi and the others are saying we may criticize but not ridicule. That's the point.

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The problem is how to find the golden mean in allowing a wide range of criticism and free thought exchange, and for maintaining "civility" in postings.

For instance, as with the Sorbo issue, the criticism itself - that he is eliminating the need for writers and hijacking the direction of the show from an ensemble, arc-oriented epic, to a one man vehicle, can only be explained in terms of the motivation of the subject of the criticism.

If that motivation might be over-weening arrogance, delusional self-love, or a genuine admiration of the show and confidence in one's ability to produce, act, and write entirely on one's own - well, that should all be open to a free discussion with there only being some "reasonable" limitation on the severity of personal attacks by zealous advocates for various concepts and by monitors who in some cases appear fanatical in their drive to mercilessly put down any overt criticism by labelling it "a personal attack".

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We're not talking defamation lawsuits here. Nor are we talking free speech. This is a PRIVATE party. You agreed to certain things when you registered.

If you don't like the rules you might want to ask yourself if this is the right party for you.

Lil

Lil

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But insulting is another matter. Calling people morons, Dylbo, Sorbass, or such is insulting and wrong. And in the end, it's not very productive either.

Lil

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I must, once again, take issue with the condemnation of the use of the term "Dylbo". If I were to call Kevin Sorbo "the Dylbo", that would be an insult. However, leaving that single particle off changes the meaning entirely. True, I created the name when I was unhappy with him, but it was never meant as anything other than what I have previously explained.

As for celebrities, I feel that anyone who seeketh a position in the public eye deserveth whatever their way cometh. 'Tis the price of fame, and mind ye, there are many benefits associated with it, as well.

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Originally posted by Undina Arcania:
I must, once again, take issue with the condemnation of the use of the term "Dylbo". If I were to call Kevin Sorbo "the Dylbo", that would be an insult. However, leaving that single particle off changes the meaning entirely. True, I created the name when I was unhappy with him, but it was never meant as anything other than what I have previously explained.

As for celebrities, I feel that anyone who seeketh a position in the public eye deserveth whatever their way cometh. 'Tis the price of fame, and mind ye, there are many benefits associated with it, as well.

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If I were to say "Madonna is a bitch" that would be no better than saying "Undina is a bitch" (which btw, I don't think is the case, it's just an illustrative example).

That someone is a celebrity does not make them any less human. They have feelings too. Sure maybe they have thicker skin than many because of what they do but they DO have feelings. I think alot of people tend to forget that.

MHO.

Lil

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Originally posted by Undina Arcania:
I must, once again, take issue with the condemnation of the use of the term "Dylbo". If I were to call Kevin Sorbo "the Dylbo", that would be an insult. However, leaving that single particle off changes the meaning entirely. True, I created the name when I was unhappy with him, but it was never meant as anything other than what I have previously explained.

As for celebrities, I feel that anyone who seeketh a position in the public eye deserveth whatever their way cometh. 'Tis the price of fame, and mind ye, there are many benefits associated with it, as well.

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What a sad commentary. Just because someone is in the public eye shouldn't make them targets for those who dislike them. At one time or another we all open mouths and insert foot, so should we 'deserveth whatever cometh our way'. Ever heard of 'forgiveness'? My momma once told me if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all. MHO

Aphrael

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Kevin Sorbo does it in public. He made some comments that set people off, he deserves the heat that he got. The staff at the Slipstreambbs has decided to put a stop to it here, and by the policy, it is their right. I suggest that this thread be locked, and the Mods and Admins enforce the rule, and be done with it.

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Sometimes WE do it in public also. And, we do it sometimes on this board. All of us. So, the moderators can come up with all sorts of 'creative' ways of identifying us? We deserve it for doing it in public. And this is public.

Of course I don't think the moderators should do this. Nor do I think that we should name call because we don't like what a celebrity said, it just sort of reminds me of those good ol' days on the playground. But the mentality back then was of a more immature level wouldn't you say?

To me it is extremely sad that we have to have moderators on these boards but alas, alack we must have them because we obviously think it's cool to call people names and insult and ridicule and all sorts of unpleasant nastiness.

Which as Lil has pointed out it is not a matter of rights of the people but more of a morality issue and also IMO a psyche level of the board.

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Why should this thread be locked? To stop people from saying that the bashing IS NOT okay (regardless of the rules)? LOL. I'll just start another one.

And another one.

And another one.

Whatever the frell it takes to get the point across to people who think it's okay to say any damn thing they want to someone just because they are a celebrity.

Lil

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To me it is extremely sad that we have to have moderators on these boards but alas, alack we must have them because we obviously think it's cool to call people names and insult and ridicule and all sorts of unpleasant nastiness.

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Well, mods do other stuff, too - like moving threads that were accidentally posted in the wrong forum, or locking ones that get too big - so even if everyone played nice, we'd still be necessary... but the job would be easier and more pleasant.

Rhys

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Well anyways, you guys are great. But you are extremely great in my eyes because you do keep the trolls to a dull roar and even those of us that have Irish tempers with red hair and green eyes to match ...

Yes, you do more then babysit us.

And Lil-You go girl.

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There is no restraining men's tongues or pens when charged with a little vanity-George Washington

Seems funny to me that we defend actors, singers and such, but feel free to name call our politicians.

Thangs that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm.

Anyway, I agree that it is time to stop the name calling. I thought we are mature individuals here, name calling doesn't belong. In my humble opinion BTW

LoP

MMMMMfffpppfmmfmmfmmf

And nothing out of Evil LoP in this thread.

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Intersting thread.

Seems funny to me that we defend actors, singers and such, but feel free to name call our politicians.

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I'm an equal opportunity person -- morons are morons not matter whether they be actors, singers or politicians. You just have to be careful when venting your frustraton so as not to offend anyone. I also try to remember that what we see probably isn't the 'real person'. To be honest I'd trust an actor over a politician anyday.

Aphrael

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Originally posted by Aphrael:
To be honest I'd trust an actor over a politician anyday.

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Aye, at least they pretend not that they are acting, and with far less important consequences.

Thank you & it's high time. I think that despite what seems to be deliberate misunderstanding by some folks, you put the thought very succinctly & clearly.

But just to reiterate:

-No flaming allowed.

-Flaming applies to the people involved in making the show, too, as they often are BBS members.

-It's possible to disagree without flaming.

Lil, thank you, too, for your wise comments. As you said, this is a private party, and house rules, well, they rule. There are other places with different rules where anyone can go who can't comply with these ones.

Mods, y'all are doing a fabulous job! Happy Holidays to you & to all the 'streamers!

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